From China to CEO: How Sunny Sun Built a Business and a Life She Loves in America | #198

In this inspiring episode of the Second Act Success Career Podcast, host Shannon Russell sits down with Sunny Sun, a first-generation immigrant from China turned entrepreneur and nonprofit founder. Sunny shares her remarkable journey from moving to the United States for college to leaving a fast-paced corporate finance career as an accountant in Manhattan to start her own STEM-based education business with Snapology in New Jersey.

Sunny opens up about cultural transitions, embracing motherhood, building a business from the ground up, and the mindset shift from employee to entrepreneur. She also dives into how she found purpose in her second act as a ski instructor and founder of the nonprofit Winter Passion, dedicated to making winter sports more accessible.

Whether you're exploring a career pivot, considering starting a business, or just need a boost of motivation, Sunny’s story is a must-listen.

Key Takeaways:

• How to transition careers as a first-generation immigrant
• Balancing motherhood and entrepreneurship
• Why franchising can be a great first step in business ownership
• Overcoming fear and cultural barriers to become a confident entrepreneur
• Tips for women starting a business after corporate life

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Second Act Success Career Podcast

Season 1 - From China to CEO: How Sunny Sun Built a Business and a Life She Loves in America | #198

Episode - #198

Host: Shannon Russell

Guest: Sunny Sun

Transcription (*created by Descript and may not be perfectly accurate) 

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Shannon Russell: Hey there welcome back to a new episode of the Second Act Success Career podcast.

I am your host Shannon Russell. Thank you for being here, and I wanna thank everyone for the amazing notes that you've been sending me and the incredible feedback I've been getting on my new book. It really means so much to me. So Keep those reviews coming onto Amazon and Barnes and Noble if you have read the book, I would love to hear what you think. , Especially as a listener, because you know me well, you know me more than the average reader.

 You can DM me, I'm at Second Act Success on Instagram, and I'm Shannon Russell, career coach on LinkedIn.

Are you ready to quit your nine to five job and start a business of your own? Well, you're in the right place, my friend. Welcome to the second Act Success Career podcast. I am your host Shannon Russell. I am a former television producer, turned business owner, career transition coach, and boy mom. My [00:01:00] mission is to help you produce your best life.

This podcast will teach you how to get from where you are now to where you want to be, and how to build a business that fits your life and lights you up. Let's get started.

Shannon Russell: On this episode of the show, we are going to have a conversation about a different kind of second act.

We're gonna be talking about the second act of Sunny Sun. Sunny is a former colleague of mine. We both owned the same franchise business and she also has become a coaching client of mine and I currently help her with her business.

So I know Sunny's story and it really is an interesting one. Sunny, grew up in China and moved to the United States in college.

Sunny went on to get a master's degree, start a career in accounting and finance, and then she decided to go into business for herself. What I love about this story is Sunny really dives into the second act of really venturing into a new [00:02:00] country and learning the culture, learning people really perfecting the English language, and also becoming a business owner.

For me. Having known her for many years, getting to see this different side of her was really incredible and she has just accomplished so much so far in her life and in her business, and I wanna bring this conversation to you. So here we go. Let me introduce you to today's guest with her second act success story.

This is Sunny Sun.

Shannon Russell: Sunny Sun, I am so excited to have you here on the second Act Success podcast. How are you doing? 

Sunny Sun: Good. Hi Shannon. How are you? 

Shannon Russell: I'm great.

I'm so happy to chat with you. We have known each other for a really long time. We were both, Snapology owners. You still are. , and we work together. I coach you on your business as well, so we know each other very well. But your story of moving from China to the US opening a business,

 why don't you [00:03:00] tell me, , when you decided to move to the United States. 

Sunny Sun: First of all, Shannon, thank you so much for inviting me. Even though after about 16 years moved to United States, , I still feel like sometimes, , I'm a outsider to the whole, culture and this society and, I never really thought about to be on a podcast with you.

So it was, , I, I feel thrilled. Aw. Um, I'm so, we're so lucky 

Shannon Russell: to hear your story, really. Between your career and your business and being a mom and you just have your hands in so much. 

Sunny Sun: When I decided to move to us. It was actually, . When I was in elementary school and it was not really my decision. Back then China looked very different than United States, first of all. , As a lot of people know, majority of the families in China has only one child. Our parents put [00:04:00] on a, you know, high expectations on us.

You know, sometimes they kind of, , try to plan ahead of what they think. A good life. Fits us. One of my family members, went to university at an early age, , got high achievement, so she became the first group of students who, visited United States as college students.

And after that, she actually, came to United States for her PhD. Became like the, the pride of the whole family. And back then my mom, who are the big sister of the family, just saw everything and saw the pictures, my aunt sent over and, then talk about it with me and she said.

Okay, you are going to United States. When you grow up, even though you are only seven years old, I have all of these great pictures in my mind about [00:05:00] you.

I was on a path, , partially planned, , by my parents. 

Shannon Russell: Maybe not at seven, but as you grew up, were you always looking forward to coming to the States and to have that experience like your aunt did? 

Sunny Sun: I mean, as a child, I didn't really have a lot of special feelings or excitements, , to look forward coming to United States.

The only information I got is from the weekly phone calls of my aunt.

So, , I feel like it's more of hearing a different life story, in a different country. . Maybe the third year after I came here, I really, started to, , learn more about the culture, to make more friends here and to explore, more stuff that's like totally different than China.

Shannon Russell: Mm-hmm. 

Sunny Sun: And then I started to really have fun, you know? Mm-hmm. To [00:06:00] ride the wave. 

Shannon Russell: I'm sure it was an adjustment to leave your family and to leave your country. That was all that you knew. Did you come here, while you were in college or was it after college?

Sunny Sun: , I came here at the third year of my college. , I finished the last year of my college in United States. I also, you know, I took the, the GA, , and the GRE, , exam, and I got into the graduate, school. , And then I stayed here. 

Shannon Russell: What was your impression when you got here, especially as a college student?

Sunny Sun: I mean it was also very refreshing to me. , Back then when I was 20 years old, I was fearless. Hmm. I feel like, uh, you know, I still have that fearless.

In my heart, no matter how old I get now, I'm like much older than 20 years [00:07:00] old. Um, but I still remember the first day I came to United States. I landed in Los Angeles,

I was like running in the terminal. Uh, that was the first time I saw such a big terminal and with a lot of like different kind of faces and I was so excited and. It was so weird. I started to talk to strangers in English and then I'm like, oh, it's the first day I'm here. How are you?

I was so crazy that day. I don't know if it's because you know of the lack of sleep or anything, the time difference. I was just also excited. And then I landed in new, um, I actually finished my, last year of my college in a school called Rowan University in New Jersey. I settled in, [00:08:00] in the dorm.

I learned that the dorm is actually mixed gender. Boys and girls, they stay in the same building. That was the first shock to me. What, how, how, like, you know, like I, the first, the first thing come to me is not like the general safety issue. The first concern I had was how can girls and boys stay in the same building?

I was 20 years old. I was still concerning about that. Yeah. You know, how different the kids could become with such a different cultural background. 

Shannon Russell: Mm-hmm. That is a culture shock. But you did it, you, you finished your last year and what happened after that You knew you were staying and what was your first job?

What did you wanna get into for your career? 

Sunny Sun: When I was in [00:09:00] the last year of college, I thought a lot about what I want. Um, but at the same time, I also talk to my parents a lot. At the beginning they tried to persuade me to get into computer science. And, uh, I was brave enough to say no to them because I knew computer science was not my thing. I remember my parents told me. Okay, so think about it. You are Asian, you are born to be good at math. If you're not going for computer science, you can choose from finance, accounting. I mean, I don't think you want to go to medical school. Right? That's exactly what they said. I still remember like every single word they said.

Yeah. [00:10:00] So yeah, that was my choice. So were you good 

Shannon Russell: at numbers? Did you enjoy it? 

Sunny Sun: You know, it's so funny. I was not the best, students in math, I would say. Like a lot of people, they have a stereotype of, Asian. People, who are just like naturally good in that, , which is not really the case.

We can't really look at people in races and, uh, you know, ethnics and gender groups just to decide what they are. Mm-hmm. 

Shannon Russell: I find it interesting that your parents almost put you in that stereotype of saying, well, you have to be good.

Here are your options.

Sunny Sun: Back then I didn't really, I was also not that rebellion type. , I didn't want to intentionally go against my parents. . I had an open mind. I just, you know, explored all of the options and, , I found accounting [00:11:00] might be interest.

Interesting. So that's why I chose accounting , in graduate school.

After two years of master's study, , I also got into the business school as an MBA student, so I studied business. After, the four years of the study in graduate school really, landed a great foundation of my mind of being an entrepreneur, to embrace all of the changes and, uh, new stuff coming to my life.

Shannon Russell: Yeah. So then you, so then you get out, you have your masters, you have your MBA as well, and so now you're going into the workforce and where did you begin? 

Sunny Sun: the time I graduated, I applied jobs in both public and private, companies, and I got a job offer from a private company. So that's how I started my first job. 

I started to work at a general [00:12:00] construction company. Back then, that company, imported materials and um,, equipment from China. So, I kind of took advantage of, uh, my ability of writing and reading and communicating in Chinese.

I got the job as accountant slash administrative manager back then. Mm-hmm. So, other than being accountant, I also, I was in charge of all the communication to the factories and representatives in China. Um, I monitor the logistics of the materials.

that first job was kind of beyond accounting already. Mm-hmm. , After that, um, I actually got another job from, , a startup. It was, Specialized in photo editing. 

Shannon Russell: Oh, 

Sunny Sun: So that company became a part of Adobe. , You know, I became kind of like a general consultant [00:13:00] of,, two other startup companies. With all my background of accounting and operation management. , So that's how my whole eight year journey goes.

Shannon Russell: I know that you're not still in accounting, so how did you decide to get into entrepreneurship? What was that catalyst to get you out of that corporate world and into owning your own own business? 

Sunny Sun: I got married, , in 2013. That was about, you know, eight years after I worked in Manhattan.

. I had my first child, , at that time I was working at a trading company. , It was all very, very exciting. I mean, it is, finance industry is super upbeat. , People are very passionate, and I really like the vibe of the industry. , However, I had to get to the office at eight o'clock in the morning.

I moved to New Jersey,, at the [00:14:00] time already, so it was about one hour train ride every day. So I would take the train at six 30 and get into the city, get a cup of coffee, and then get into the office. It worked, you know, it, it, it worked out well. , I still liked the life I had until I had my. Sun.

Yeah. Yeah. So I know you are a mom too. Um mm-hmm. 

Shannon Russell: I did it into Manhattan as well. And it's so much more than that one hour commute, right? Yeah. Because it's that getting to the train station, getting on, looking at the schedule, subway, walking avenues and blocks. So it's a long day.

Sunny Sun: Yeah. And then, especially after I had my son, I sent him to the daycare, but still, you know, like in the morning I had to get up super early to get his lunch ready, get his bag ready. The whole [00:15:00] morning commute, um, became. A, a big marathon for me, you know? Yeah. Um, yeah. So then, you know, I, I was struggling, you know, I, I was struggling of making any changes. I was doing well in the company. I made friends there. I liked the vibe of Manhattan. I like to go into the city every day.

But then on the other side, I really felt I was stretched too thin to even, love myself enough, you know, like I am kind of like sacrifice everything just to, , make my life stay there. 

Shannon Russell: Mm. 

Sunny Sun: It got me thinking a lot like, should I stay there this way? Should I keep the life this way? Mm-hmm. Or should I think about other ways to, you know, make my life [00:16:00] easier? , So then I started to do my research. , I actually thought about getting a franchise in the beginning because, you know, I feel like it's, it is an easier start.

I had some savings, you know, to put in as an investment. , So I did do a, throughout research across different industries for franchise, , opportunities from,, Chinese restaurants, coffee shops, accounting services. , I did research of, . Kids, indoor playgrounds. I even thought about open a bubble tea shop.

Ooh. Yeah. So, you know, all of that. I definitely did my research. then, you know, one day I was building Lego with my son. He was only three years old, but he was super, super into Lego and he started to build things and then he started to ask me questions like, mom, guess what I bought?

I was like, oh, is that a bee? He's like, no, it's not. [00:17:00] It's a tiger. I'm like, oh, okay. You build a tiger. But it look like a little ball to me. Maybe you want to add four legs there because Tiger has four legs. You know, all of this conversation, it got me thinking, wow, I can talk a lot, uh, about a lot of different topics with Lego, you know?

Mm-hmm. Like along the way I can talk about animals, I can talk about technologies. 

Shannon Russell: Yeah. 

Sunny Sun: All that kind of stuff. And then there's just like a sparkle in my mind. I'm like, oh, this can be a great idea.

And then I found SnapSnapology, the brand perfectly aligned with my thought. Mm-hmm. It also aligned kind of, you know, my budget and everything, so I just jumped right into it. 

Shannon Russell: Sunny. Our stories are so alike because it was my 3-year-old, my oldest son [00:18:00] that gave me that idea for Snapology as well.

Oh. Because he was building with Duplos and Legos. While I, I felt like that was the only time that I could walk away and do the dishes. And I had a newborn at the time too, but I felt like he needed a lot of attention. But when he was building, he was in the zone and he was just, yeah. Right. And it, so it was the same thing where I was like, well, maybe there's something to this.

And I think so many moms can relate to the idea that really Lego is such a magical toy. It's such a magical tool. Magical that can teach so much. And then for me, which I think it's probably similar to you, finding the franchise just gave you everything you needed to be able to start a business without coming up with everything from scratch.

Sunny Sun: Yeah, exactly. the Continuing thought we had at the time, , we were moms, we had kids, but, uh, we didn't stop there. We have our mind continuing rolling [00:19:00] while we, you know, hang out with kids while we do our dishes, you know? Mm-hmm. We, we, we think about, oh, this might be a good idea, , this is a good opportunity.

And then, you know, we, we kind of, bring our idea into actions. We started to do the research and, make it happen. Moms are strong. Yes, 

Shannon Russell: exactly., So when you started researching and you found the franchise Snapology, did you know that you were gonna go in to open this business and then leave your job?

Was it like you're gonna focus on being an entrepreneur or were you trying to do both at the same time? 

Sunny Sun: , At the beginning I thought about doing both at the same time. , But , again, you know, I had to measure my capacity. I had the child, I am working, 10 hours a day. I had that super, super early commute.

I was not sure [00:20:00] if I have anything left for this new business. So, I have always wanted to kind of leave the job, , because of, , the overwhelming Yeah.

Um, commute. So, yeah. So that's why, you know, I made a hard decision to, , leave the job, and, uh, started my business full-time. 

Shannon Russell: So you're starting this business, you have a little one at home and now a lot with this business. So for listeners who aren't aware, Snapology is STEM education, so teaching Legos, robotics, coding, all of that, , and you have to go out and market the business to your community, to partners.

You mentioned you felt like you were still a little out of the box, you know, coming from China and having that background. So what was promoting this business like for you? 

Sunny Sun: at the beginning I was terrified. Like now I, I have to admit that I'm still sometimes terrified.[00:21:00] 

Back then I was like a hundred percent terrified. Versus now I'm probably 20% terrified. Uh, because, you know, I, I grew up in China. It's a completely different country. , Back then we spent six hours at school studying, we have PE class one hour a day, and that's it. That's all of our enrichment. And then we didn't really have anything after school. After school, it was the two hours extended time. We stay in the classroom quietly doing our homework. 

Shannon Russell: Wow. 

Sunny Sun: And our teacher always makes sure we have enough homework that we can work on for that two hours. So, you know, you don't really need to worry about, oh, what are we going to do if you already finish your homework?

Can you just go out and play? That was not the case. 

[00:22:00] Everything here was so new to me and, uh, it was eyeopening. Back then, you know, my, my, my son was four years old. He was still a little bit young to the school life. So, you know, I got to explore and, you know, get to know more about how the schools worked and how the after school enrichment works, how could kids go to all different kind of, you know, summer camps for a great varieties of activities.

It's just a lot of thing that I learned along the way while I was promoting my, my programs.

It was so funny, you know, , it's very hard for me to. Open up about, I run a business, I want to partner with you, or I want to bring my, program to you. But I just sometimes get too nervous and I started to ask questions. You know, I start to kind of, you know, chat with people about what I don't know and, [00:23:00] what you know about and tell me more about it.

And, along the way I kind of get to know people and, uh, they get to know me more. And then I just naturally bring up, I run a business and, I feel like that's how I, I make deals happen. It's just me, you know, I have the personality of first of all talking to people about all related topics and then, I will like, you know, chill down and relax a little bit, and then we talk about what I do. Hmm. 

Shannon Russell: First off, all entrepreneurs are terrified no matter what stage of business because it's so much pressure that we put on ourselves. But I think you are right.

You eased into it. You had a lot of learning to do about what the afterschool and enrichment was like in your area compared to what you grew up with. So you're learning, and then you're having to communicate this to partners in schools [00:24:00] and libraries. And luckily you do have that personality to be so friendly and be outgoing and start those conversations.

And so you are able to grow and scale your business really organically and naturally in a way that feels comfortable to you. 

Sunny Sun: Yeah, I feel so lucky. I didn't really force myself to do something I'm super uncomfortable with, and, fortunately it worked. 

Shannon Russell: now at this point in your business, how are you feeling about being an entrepreneur compared to working in an office and having that long commute every day? 

Sunny Sun: Yeah, actually a lot of my friend ask me the same question, a lot of them, they had the moment that they really wanna quit their job in big companies and they want to start something.

So I always tell them, there's no really better or worse. It's just, it's different. You need to expect to put in [00:25:00] the same or even more energy into your own business than working for others. the only thing I would say you get is the little freedom, the little flexibility you have to control your own time, but overall, , the time that you spend on work doesn't really get less.

 , I believe in, , hard work I really value the continuing learning and exploring. , I don't think you, anyone can stop at a point no matter where they work or where their life is. So yeah, I always tell my friend, , if you want to quit your job, you need to prepare for it.

Sunny Sun: Get ready for it. , Be serious about it. , You can say, oh, I want to create a job and next month I will launch something and I will become a billionaire. Yeah, [00:26:00] yeah. So I, I, I, I believe in working hard.

Yeah. 

Shannon Russell: I definitely wanna touch upon all of the other things that you're involved in because you are involved in a nonprofit. You teach ski lessons. , Talk to me about all of the other things that keep you excited and engaged, on the weekends and after work. 

Sunny Sun: I have been skier for about 12 years, and I just fall in love with it. I took my, certification exam to be a ski instructor about three years ago. It was just naturally happened because I'm running education business.

My business of it's about, , teaching kids and, to help them to have more fun while learning. , It's the same as learning to ski. I was inspired by, the whole system of teaching skiing, like how you can translate all of the, , [00:27:00] complicated body moving mechanics into very friendly and engaging activities for kids.

So without telling them what they should do. You kind of show them, you know, like simple movements and through those simple movements, they eventually get to where they should be. It was magical, you know, when I'm teaching skiing, I thought about NeSnapology and I thought about all the connections that, you know, teaching, skiing, teaching a sport, , with STEM education.

That's so funny. Like, you know, there's two things. It doesn't appear to connect with each other, but it actually does. It's amazing. 

Shannon Russell: Wow. I never even put that together either. And that's so exciting for you to be able to really get fulfillment in both aspects of your teaching.

Sunny Sun: Yeah. Yeah. , After I [00:28:00] started working there, I actually saw a lot of, , Asian people, who skis very well, , who has these certification of being instructor, but has struggle of really become a instructor at a resort because a lot of resort, , don't really sponsor, any type of, , visa or anything.

It actually happens to a lot of people who studied here before they, they get permanent residence card. I kind of formed this nonprofit, , for the, Asian, , instructors, , to have a network of their own.

, to share the study, , of. Skiing, skiing and snowboarding. And to, use the resource as a professional platform to increase the overall, , awareness of winter sports, the benefit of, joining the winter sports. , And, the education background and [00:29:00] knowledge of all the instructors I know, , to promote the winter sports.

We try to figure out ways to get more people who has limited access, , to be an sports educator or overall educator. , More access, more, , opportunity for them to get there.

But it's a bubble. It has a very thin wall. Like, you just need to have that courage and have that creativity and imagination of, you know, break that bubble and make this thing for more people. So, yeah, that's. That is what I'm doing right now. 

Shannon Russell: What is the name of that nonprofit? So if any listeners wanna take a look.

Sunny Sun: our nonprofit is called Passion.

And uh, we have a website is called winterpassion.org.

You can go to that website and, uh, learn everything about it. 

Shannon Russell: That's amazing. Sunny, you have come [00:30:00] so far from that 7-year-old who was told to get to the states, , do something with math, and now you are a business owner and you're running a nonprofit you've got this math brain, this entrepreneur brain, and this creative brain all in one.

As you were making these different changes in your career, what was the opinion of your family back in China? 

Sunny Sun: Oh, wow. I do get, um, mixed reviews, I would say. Like if I'm running my, you know, my own play. At the beginning I definitely got a lot of, negative voices.

, They thought I was crazy quitting my job and, , started a business, especially I'm starting a business in education, which is kind of unfavorable, to what, my parents originally, wanted me to do. Mm-hmm. , I kind of feel like along the way you need to prove that you are [00:31:00] capable and,

your value can just be limited to other people's plan. You have your own plan and, , you are, , taking actions to achieve your own dream. You don't have to measure yourself through other people's eyes. I actually had a kind of a argument with my parents, before I started to run SynSnapology and, they, they were like, oh, what do you think people will think about you?

You will become someone who doesn't have a official job, but then, you know, I'm like, so what I. I'm doing something I like to do probably for the very first time in my life. I'm motivated to do it I learned everything about being independent, to chase my own freedom, to become myself, to become me.

All of these years., I, I live in the other country. I survived, a lot of different challenges and I can survive this [00:32:00] one. 

Shannon Russell: Yeah. And, and I don't think that's just a Chinese fear, a lot of people have that fear here in the States and all over too, of 

giving up something that is stable and comfortable for the unknown. Yeah. But that is what I think an entrepreneur feels inside and knows that I am going to try it and I can do it, and I can use my skills and bring it over here. I'm really proud of you. I'm proud of you for going out on your own and creating such a beautiful life for yourself, and you're giving back in so many ways, through your business and your nonprofit.

 Your story is just really inspiring. 

Sunny Sun: Thank you so much. 

Shannon Russell: I'm proud of myself too. You should be. , As we wrap up, I'd love to ask you ask what your advice to someone else who's thinking about leaving a job, starting a business, or really starting any type of second act, what advice do you have for them?

Sunny Sun: I want to tell them to be open-minded. To [00:33:00] embrace, adventures. Sometimes you will struggle with if I, if I want to, you know, give up everything I have and then, go for something new. , But still, you know, think about it out of the box, give yourself more options. , Explore more, , and then you will eventually know what's the best for you. I don't really blindly preach people to start their own business. I always tell them, you, you need to follow your heart, but still at the same time, you want to measure all the resources you currently have and, all the potential resource in the pipeline that you can get to start a business.

Do your research, take good action. , If you think about starting a business, then just start to do it, you know, little by little every day. , Spend half hour browse online [00:34:00] and see,, if anyone has the same idea as you. , If there is any success stories, start from there. , I've had friend who told me, they want to quit their job and start a business for years.

And every time when I ask, oh, how does your plan of starting a new business go? And then, , they will be like, oh, you know, I'm so busy with my work right now. It's hard for me to think about it. Mm. It's, I know it's hard, but think about it, while you do your dishes right.

Yeah. 

Shannon Russell: That is such excellent advice. Thank you so much for sharing that.

Where can everyone connect with you? Where are the best places? 

Sunny Sun: my business is currently mobile based based, we bring a lot of STEM programs to schools, libraries, community centers, and other educational [00:35:00] institutions. , You can find me popping in one of those classes.

We currently, , are promoting our summer camp. We have a primary location in Newburn, New Jersey. Feel free to come to my website, , summit.Snapology.com to check out our calendar, , to see all the programs currently running.

Feel free to talk to me. I'm always available on the phone and, , to reach out by email. Plus find me at Oke. I'm teaching at Oke every snow season, so yeah, you will find me there.

Shannon Russell: Wonderful. Sunny, I'm gonna link to everything that we chatted about in the show notes for listeners to grab and get in touch with you. And thank you so much. I'm so happy to know you and be able to see your businesses taking off and to be able to call you a friend. So thank you so much for being here to share your whole, story with us.

Sunny Sun: Yeah, thank you. It was such a pleasure talking to you., I, [00:36:00] I didn't expect myself to talk this much. I'm like, really? I, I, I have, , spoken in English for this long time already.

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