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Wedding Singer Turned Audiobook Narrator with Sheri Saginor| Ep #45

December 20, 2022 Sheri Saginor, Shannon Russell Season 1 Episode 45
Second Act Success Career Podcast: Career Change Advice, Job Search Strategies, and Personal Development Tips
Wedding Singer Turned Audiobook Narrator with Sheri Saginor| Ep #45
Show Notes Transcript

Sheri Saginor’s career has taken a lot of unexpected turns over the last few decades. She spent her 20s as a musician, singing in a wedding band, living the gig life. After looking for a more steady paycheck, Sheri set her eyes on high tech sales. She spent a year in an admin position before transitioning to an outside sales rep. After many years of success in her position, and a brief stint as a stay-at-home mother, Sheri decided to put her communication skills to work as a freelance speechwriter, writing everything from keynote addresses to Ted Talks to tribute speeches. When the pandemic put an end to public speaking, Sheri didn’t settle. She learned a new career as an audiobook narrator. Now Sheri has a successful business narrating and producing audio books in all genres and combining her love of performing with her desire to stay out of the spotlight.

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Second Act Success Podcast
Season 1 - ​​Wedding Singer to Audiobook Narrator with Sheri Saginor| Ep #45
Guest: Sheri Saginor
Host: Shannon Russell
Transcription (*created by Descript and may not be perfectly accurate)

[00:00:00] Shannon Russell: I'm excited to announce that the next session of the Second Act Accelerator Course will be launching in January. Learn more at second Act success.co/course. This program is for professionals ready to pivot to a new career. Within just six weeks, you will have a roadmap to get you from where you are now to where you want to be. Join like-minded individuals in our private community group. Plus you will have access to weekly group coaching, live workshops, expert guests, and one-on-one coaching with me. Learn more about the second Act accelerator and sign up at second Act success.co/course.

I hope to see you in the next session of theSecond Act Accelerator this January. 

[00:00:43] Sheri Saginor: It's normal when it's hard and it's gonna test your problem solving skills, but it's doable. If you fail that's okay. Don't see it as a failure. See it. Something that you were able to learn along the way and move forward. 

[00:01:00] Are you at a crossroads in your career? Ready for a change, but you're not sure how to get there. Don't worry. We are about to produce your best life together. Welcome to the Second Act Success Podcast. I am your host. Shannon Russell. I am a former Television Producer turned boy mom. I left my dream job to find family balance and in doing so, I produced my dream life. Now I am a Business Owner, Podcaster, and Career Coach. My mission is to help other women, like you, find what they are truly meant to be doing. If you are ready to start over in your career or pivot to a new purpose, then get ready to be inspired by stories of women who have done just that. We will share advice and actionable tips to motivate you as you move along on your path. It is time to shine. So let's start producing your balanced life of abundance today. This is Second Act Success. 





[00:01:59] Shannon Russell: Today, [00:02:00] Sheri Saginor is here with me. She is a woman who is not afraid to make changes to her career. Trust me, she has tried all of the things. Sheri went to school for music and was a professional singer for many years, even performing in wedding bands when the late nights became too much, Sheri dove into high tech sales and used her voice to sell. She then took a few years off to be a stay-at-home mom. And when her children went to school, Sheri began using her voice in a different way. She became a speech writer up until the pandemic hit. Then Sheri had to pivot once more into her current role. She is now an audiobook, narrator and producer. There is so much to talk about with Sheri, so let's get to it. This is Sheri Saginor and her Second Act Success story.

Hello, Sheri. Welcome to Second Act Success. It's so nice to have you here. 

[00:02:54] Sheri Saginor: Thank you so much for having me. I'm delighted to be here. 

[00:02:57] Shannon Russell: Let's start where your career journey [00:03:00] began. 

[00:03:00] Sheri Saginor: Let's see. So I have degrees in English, language and literature ALS and a second degree in music. So I studied language and then I studied composition. So I spent my twenties as a professional musician and I sang some commercial work, but my bread and butter was general business bands, weddings, bar mitzvahs, Baptism parties. And so I enjoyed it thoroughly. I really did, but you can only spend so many nights at one 30 in the morning, singing, Y M C A for a group of drunk wedding guests, before you decide that you're just tired of living hand to mouth. And so that's what happened to me. I want a salaried position [00:04:00] and I did some soul searching skills assessment.

[00:04:05] Shannon Russell: Oh, awesome. That is one of the first things that I use when working with my coaching clients. So tell me what you came up with doing a skills assessment on yourself. 

[00:04:14] Sheri Saginor: What surfaced was that I'm interested in? I wanted a job in high tech. Wanted a job in technology. I was not a programmer or anything like that, but there are lots of jobs in high tech companies that are not computer programming. So I applied for a job at Nortel networks, which is a big company in Canada or was, and I was hired first as an administrator, but I had a goal in a year. I wanted to be, an outside sales rep. And a year later, that's what I was. 

[00:04:50] Shannon Russell: Nice. Oh, it's, it's so great to hear, cuz it's all about setting that timeline for yourself and giving yourself a goal to work towards. Right.

[00:04:59] Sheri Saginor: [00:05:00] I spent my twenties as a professional musician and then my late twenties, early thirties as a, high tech sales executive interfacing with companies. I had my first child. Then my second child. And when I had my second child, I realized that I couldn't do both jobs well. I said time to do something different. And so then I left that job and spent a few years until my second started school, mostly at home. But then when he went off to school, I decided to do something different. So another pivot, another round of skills assessments, and what do I really want to do? And what surfaced was, I wanna work for myself. I want to start my own business . What popped in my mind was. I wanna be a speech writer. it was a way for me to use my communication skills. I didn't know if you could [00:06:00] be a freelance speech writer. So I Googled. Can you be a freelance speech writer, an up popped an article called, so you wanna be a freelance speech writer and I read the article. Yes, I do. Here's how you do it. And here's how you get started. It was written by a Canadian who was a veteran in the industry and I called him and said, did you mean it. Because I wanna do this and he became a mentor. So it was wonderful. I joined the Professional Speech Writers Association, honed my chops and ran that business up until just before the pandemic. not many people are hiring freelance speech writers during the pandemic, because nobody globally, nobody is delivering speeches in front of a live audience. No.

[00:06:53] Shannon Russell: Just when you were in a great place and on a roll roll with your speech rating, that's such a shame.

[00:06:58] Sheri Saginor: So it was time to [00:07:00] pivot again. And I had already been thinking about audiobook narration. And so there's a lot of information about how to do it. I got some coaching. I took some courses all during the pandemic and really got good. I built a studio in my home and really got it sounding good. It's been a few years now that I've been doing this. And the great thing I can tell you is that what I'm doing now, I love the most, 

[00:07:28] Shannon Russell: isn't that funny? You pivot and you pivot, and then the universe throws you a pandemic and you find your true passion. 

[00:07:35] Sheri Saginor: but if you're looking for the through line between what seemed to be disparate careers, it's that in everyone I'm using my voice to. Communicate with others or to help others get their message across.

So. As a singer, as in my twenties, high tech sales exec in my thirties speech writer,[00:08:00] in my early forties. And now I am an audiobook narrator. How that's the scoop? 

That is so amazing. And you're right. That is, I love talking about the thread or the through line and that you just. Summed it up perfectly. I just love it and I wanna break it down a little bit. Being a singer that's like everyone's dream is to perform whether you are Britney Spears or performing at a wedding. It's just exciting to be out there singing songs and having fun. How was that experience, especially in your twentie.

Well, let's see first I'll demystify it a little bit and then I'll tell you why I gave it up. What going to music school And my years as a singer taught me was that I didn't want to be a performer with the spotlight on me. If you are interested in being a singer I would say go for it, but, it's a hard life to make a [00:09:00] living at. You have to love the work. 

[00:09:03] Shannon Russell: And you were in Boston performing. Is that where you were living?

Yes, 

[00:09:06] Sheri Saginor: I was in Boston. I was in Boston and, there are a lot of people who wanted to go to New York and or LA. It was really scary for me to accept that that was not gonna be my path. How it finally settled with me was that I don't regret that time at all. Either studying the craft or doing the work because I learned a lot. 

[00:09:33] Shannon Russell: Right. you were able to check it off your list and I think that's so important. And I like to stress with my guests too, is that you're still a singer. You could go and sing in a band tomorrow if you wanted to. But you had that experience that not a lot of people have of being paid to be a musician in your twenties. Yes. So it's nice that you learned that that wasn't your forever calling, but you were able to accomplish. 

[00:09:56] Sheri Saginor: Yes, absolutely. Yes. I mean, I put myself through [00:10:00] school, so, and again, it, it was so rewarding, but I agree with you, you. Don't have to have one identity and there are other ways to pursue a passion besides making a business of it. So I hope that resonates with your guests. 

[00:10:17] Shannon Russell: I think so. And, and coming from the TV production world, being very freelance, I kind of feel like we're on the same page. As far as you work a gig, you get paid. If you don't work the. You don't get paid so I can see how a salaried position would sound really exciting to you when you're out there at one 30 in the morning, like you said. So then you start getting those thoughts in your head of like, maybe I should get a nine to five job with the paid salary and the benefits. How did you come to decide that high tech sales was really your passion that you wanted to pursue? 

[00:10:51] Sheri Saginor: Well at the time, I didn't know. I had a book that was called high tech jobs for not tech [00:11:00] people or maybe low tech people. And I read the book and learned about the different jobs. So, it was a combination saying to myself, what transferable skills do I have? And how might that map to this industry, computer networking that on a high level, I truly am interested in. And where might I fit in? So again, it was deliberate. It was deliberate. I came down one day and said to my husband, okay. I figured out what I wanna do next. He knew I had been doing this inner work to figure it out and skills reassessment, but I said, I'm gonna be a high tech salesperson and his jaw dropped he's like, sounds good to me, dear. let's just go for it. Just go for it. 

[00:11:49] Shannon Russell: You had the support of him, not everybody has the support of a spouse or a partner, but that's wonderful that you had that. And I think it's so nice Sheri, that you were, open to taking this [00:12:00] admin position when you started at the company, you weren't expecting to get this high tech sales job right off the bat. You started entry level to learn a little bit about the business and you just kept it in your head that this is where I wanna go and you let it be vocally known and you ended up getting there. About a year later you said?

[00:12:17] Sheri Saginor: That's right about a year later. And frankly, while I was singing, I was working as an administrator at a university, public health division and so I had the skills to do it. I think a key part was when I went in as an admin. I said to my boss, my goal is to eventually be in outside sales and he laughed. He laughed. Wow. But then he left the company and within the company I found, Folks who were more willing to not just give me a shot, but, Have faith in me that I could actually do it. It was not easy either. I, [00:13:00] there was a big learning curve. I was fortunate in that they needed a lot of reps and I was able to learn the industry in a relatively low stakes, low stress job, and then move on from. 

[00:13:16] Shannon Russell: in your role as an outside sales rep for the company, you're going out, you're talking to other businesses, you're still using your voice to communicate and to sell. So that's something that you use your prior skills as a singer performer to bring into this role as well. 

[00:13:33] Sheri Saginor: And skills that I got there that believe it or not, I was able to use when I went into speech writing. So a lot of my job was sales presentations. I had to craft them and then present them clearly. Co gently and without a lot of fluff. And so I learned that I have a skill of using my voice [00:14:00] speaking and also taking other people's in this case of companies materials and. Basically turning that into something like a speech. So again, I stress the sort of the through line, which makes it not so crazy that I decided to be a speech writer. The other thing I wanna emphasize is, remember I said that what I learned from being a professional singer was that I didn't wanna. I didn't want the spotlight directly on me. And so what was great about writing speeches was that I could give voice to someone else, but it's very behind the scenes. And I really loved that. The best part of that was taking somebody's thoughts and turning that into again, something clear ,cogent deliverable working with that client. So it's, it's not such a crazy transition. 

[00:14:57] Shannon Russell: Yes. And I don't wanna skip over [00:15:00] that. You went from being the sales exec to speech writing because you had another significant job in between, which was being a stay-at-home mom.

[00:15:07] Sheri Saginor: Yes, that's right. That's right. There was some grief in giving up my professional identity to stay at home. Yeah. And there wasn't long before I was itching to do something different, but my children needed, some extra care and I made a decision and I would encourage any mother, not to beat herself. If she can't have it all at once at the same. That's 

[00:15:36] Shannon Russell: excellent advice. And it's a good reminder because we all feel like we should be able to. Why is it just me that can't have it? It's not just you. There's so many of us who struggle and I like that you kind of separated it. Okay. I'm leaving this job. I'm going to be with my kids and I'm gonna maybe have, a, a, a timeframe for it. , and then I'm going to move on to the next.[00:16:00] You enjoy the time that you had, and your wheels were probably turning in there and you were thinking, okay, well, I'm gonna go and start thinking about my next chapter, 

[00:16:08] Sheri Saginor: It was good. It was a nice business to build and run and I really loved the work, but it was a lot of work. 

[00:16:17] Shannon Russell: So then COVID comes, and you get into audio book narration. Yes. Another really cool niche. Were you always a big fan of listening to audio books? 

[00:16:28] Sheri Saginor: Yes, I think that was the impetus. I had listened to audio books. Before they were everywhere, I listened to podcasts and I was really interested in people using their speaking voice to educate or entertain . In fact it started as one arm of my speech writing business. So that's how it came about. I did make a specific decision to make the investment. Basically the COVID. Stimulus money and unemployment that I was given during that time financed [00:17:00] the equipment, , the hardware that's necessary in the booth, the creation of a sound, not a soundproof booth, cuz that's not what you want, but a whisper quiet booth where there's no reverb. Software that you need, I had to learn how to record, edit, and then master the recordings. Because when you start out, if you don't have any experience, there is a platform called, ACX, it's the Amazon Creation Exchange, and that is a matchmaking service between authors who want to have their books produced by an audio book producer. You can audition for them and then create the book for them. I would get the business. Usually through outreach or through auditions, and then you record the book, you listen back and edit, mistakes that you make, and then you have to [00:18:00] master the finished product and then you sell it, through a distributor in the case of ACX it's Amazon iTunes and Audible, so big learning curve, but it just clicked.

There was so much to learn, but I was lucky again, I had the time and the resources and the energy to dive into it. And also the support, the audiobook community is generous. With guidance and support. And now I produce audiobooks for independent authors soup to nuts, but then I also narrate for companies that their whole business is producing audiobooks. And then for publishers who need audio books for their print books, So you are 

[00:18:51] Shannon Russell: busy. You really have your hand in all different aspects of this industry. 

[00:18:56] Sheri Saginor: It's just wonderful to have the flexibility [00:19:00] and the tools that I can take a project, no matter what I have to do. And, make it happen for the client. But I really do love working with independent authors. They bring me a manuscript. And I work with them. It's like speech writing. It's about capturing their voice, and I don't mean mimicking them, but getting the tone of the book. The pace of the book and the spirit of the book is something that you have to capture to make the work successful. 

[00:19:31] Shannon Russell: I find it really interesting that even with where you are now producing and narrating audiobooks, that you're still getting to perform, but you're still out of the spotlight. Was that another conscious choice? 

[00:19:44] Sheri Saginor: Yes, it is such a great question and a great linking . Yes, because their audiobook narration is a performance, whether it's nonfiction or any of the fiction genres, romance is different than mystery [00:20:00] is different than thriller. It's different than science fiction. So yes, absolutely. There's an element of performance. But I'm able to do something that I wasn't when you're singing a song in real time and that's, take your time. And there's editing too. And I do a technique called punch and roll. Basically, if you do a mispronunciation, you can go back immediately and rerecord over it and then continue to record. So yes, I get to take my time. I don't have to do it all at once. I. Am in closed space by myself and as an introvert that has, aligned with my temperament.

[00:20:43] Shannon Russell: So nice. So you're getting to be this business owner, working, creating your own time, creating your own work and putting all of your skills together. What is the process? How long does it take you to actually work on the narration for that?[00:21:00] 

[00:21:00] Sheri Saginor: It depends on the length of the book. Also the genre non-fiction takes more time than fiction, usually because in non-fiction there's often. More names places there also a lot more to look up. And if it's a technical book, you've gotta learn how to narrate the chemistry equations. As opposed to a romance, which goes pretty quickly, the work is creating characters and telling the story in a way that flows. So people are surprised sometimes when they think that when you're recording an audio book, you can basically just turn on your iPhone and read it and then you're done. But it's so much more involved than that. For every finished hour and by finished, I mean, listenable. It takes me if I'm producing myself, including the research, the prep between four and six hours of my time to do that whole process. So it's it's [00:22:00] a lot of work. The same time. I often encourage authors if they wanna narrate their own books, especially if it's nonfiction and they wanna connect with their authors. I encourage people to do that, but you've gotta go in knowing that it's not just turning on your iPhone. There are audio quality standards. The audio needs to meet before a publisher will post it for sale. 



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[00:22:50] Shannon Russell: What is your favorite genre? I guess to record?

[00:22:54] Sheri Saginor: I specialize in non-fiction and that's because that's what I read on my own. I do [00:23:00] narrate fiction. The most recent. Piece of fiction that I did was a mystery set in Oklahoma. It was actually really interesting because for that book I had to learn or dive deep into a Mexican American accent, there were two characters who had immigrated. But late enough that they still had an accent. One was the editor of the newspaper and one was a female rancher in the community. So different accents, different genders. But they were both, Mexican American accents and I hired a dialogue coach to really show me the mouth position, the different ways that. vowels and consonants are pronounced. And so it's this sort of mini project within this larger project. And, so the lots of opportunity to learn are really it's, it's fun. 

[00:23:51] Shannon Russell: Would you suggest to maybe any of our listeners who may be performers or have this aspiration to use their voice in public [00:24:00] to possibly go into audio book narration? 

[00:24:04] Sheri Saginor: Yes. If you're interested in performing with your voice, there are lots of avenues. There is voice over work for commercials, and that's what you normally think of as commercials, narrating for animation. And then even doing. Corporate narration and documentary narration. And then in, fiction if you wanna do audiobook either non-fiction or fiction narration, I would suggest that you find the forums on audiobook narration and start reading them. I'm living proof that you can decide to do it with transferable skills. Teach yourself, how to do it, acquire the right equipment, get the mentoring that you need. But just like learning any new skill or starting any new business. [00:25:00] It takes time. It takes patience on your part. The great thing about the age that we're living in now is that. You can teach yourself these different performance, uh, modalities, or at least investigate them. And you can find other people to help teach you and support you as you do it. For me, it was seeking out other audiobook narrators for general support and also proven steps you can take toward your goal. So you don't have to reinvent the wheel. It feels lonely sometimes to be in a booth. By yourself for hours. And if that's an avenue that your listeners may be interested in, that's a piece of it, but there are tools out there for whatever you think your performance passion may be. And it doesn't have to be a business a as you, I think you alluded to, there are ways to express any creative outlet or new endeavor, um, slowly at first. Figure out if it's really what you wanna do [00:26:00] and be kind to yourself along the way.

[00:26:02] Shannon Russell: I love that. And I think that there's always people to help you found a mentor early on with speech writing and, you know, I'm gonna link all of your information in our show notes so that if someone is really resonating with you and they wanna reach out that, I'm sure you'd be willing to help in any way possible. I feel like that's where this crazy online world of ours, you know, we're all connected in some way. And Just finding like-minded people who are happy to help, others along the way. I feel like that's what we all kind of need. And look for these. 

[00:26:33] Sheri Saginor: Yes. And in audiobook narration specifically, I mean, it's kind of show business adjacent because you do need to promote yourself. You do need a good headshot. At some point you really do need a website and there's and social media promoting yourself is part of it. So it's interesting. All that being said, audiobook narration is a genre [00:27:00] where it's low stakes. I mean, you are not in a feature film. The expectations of quality are high. I mean, you have to be good at it to continue to, but it's low stakes enough that it's unpretentious. 

[00:27:21] Shannon Russell: Mm-hmm right. Very true. And you're, you are using your same skills, unfortunately, I guess the one downside is that you're back to being project to project with your work. like you were as a performer.

[00:27:33] Sheri Saginor: That's true. , that's true that true, 

[00:27:36] Shannon Russell: but creating your business and really growing and you have your hand in all different avenues in, in the industry. And you're doing it on your own accord. Like you, this is what you wanna do at this juncture of your life. And. It's so phenomenal. I think it's such a different type of career and you have just really created this wonderful world for you and your family. And it's so nice to see. 



[00:27:58] Shannon: Alright. It's time for our [00:28:00] Five Fast Qs of the Week. Here we go! 

[00:28:03] Shannon Russell: The first one is name one thing that these different chapters in your life have taught you.

[00:28:09] Sheri Saginor: One of the things that made my approach different than other people's, but that was incredibly valuable is being deliberate about it. You don't necessarily have to decide immediately that you are going to do X, but. Do your homework. If your homework means informational interviews with other people in the industry, if it means reading books, if it means going on online forms, whatever it is, embrace and take advantage of the way that you can test the waters and just try it out. If that's a possibility for you, because we're in an age right now, when that's more possible than ever.

[00:28:56] Shannon Russell: Very true. So would you recommend taking a [00:29:00] leap into a big life change to your best friend? 

[00:29:04] Sheri Saginor: It depends on the friend and where they are in their life. I would take my cues from that friend. If you're asking whether or not someone should feel the very normal fear, anticipation, excitement. But mixed with terror, but they really wanna do it. Yes. I would recommend that they try it, that they take the leap. Even though it can sometimes feel very lonely, you're not alone. 

[00:29:37] Shannon Russell: What is one piece of advice that you would give to someone trying to start their second act?

[00:29:42] Sheri Saginor: You know, when I became a mother. It was a life change. And what I like to tell other mothers is that you're going to hear a lot of this is beautiful. It's great bonding with your [00:30:00] child, and there's so much bliss and so much joy and not enough gets talked about. How hard it really is to be sleep deprived, to have this whole little being basically borrowing your psyche for a while, until they can develop their own. And so that I would transfer to any new endeavor. It's normal when it's hard and it's gonna test your problem solving skills, but it's doable. If you fail that's okay. Don't see it as a failure. See it. Something that you were able to learn along the way and move forward. 

[00:30:44] Shannon Russell: what does the next chapter look like for you?

[00:30:47] Sheri Saginor: Two things. To continue to expand my business with all that, that entails. Continue to find interesting projects to work on, basically build that business. [00:31:00] So that's one thing. The other thing is that my second child is three years away from graduating. And so I can see my next act happening when he leaves the nest and I believe that I will still be doing this line of work, but it's gonna be a change and it's gonna open up different possibilities. Frankly, what I would love to see in my next act is embracing the joy, I think in my next act, I'll be cultivating that, just looking around more. 

[00:31:37] Shannon Russell: That's wonderful. Where can our audience really connect with you?

[00:31:41] Sheri Saginor: I'm on most social media, LinkedIn, Facebook. I do have a TikTok account too, Instagram. And my website. Www.sherisaginor.com s H E R I S A G I N O R.com. And you can reach [00:32:00] me at sheri@sherisagnior.com and all my social media handles are, Sheri Saginor. If you're interested in audio book performance, I'm happy to talk to any of your listeners about, in more depth about what it involves. And if you're an author who is looking for someone to produce their audio book for them, reach out to me and I'll tell you what the different options are. 

[00:32:29] Shannon Russell: Fantastic. Oh, Sheri, this was such a lovely conversation. And just so interesting. I love your whole journey and I'm so happy for where you are today and for what the next chapter brings. So thank you. 

[00:32:44] Sheri Saginor: Thank you. Thank you for making this so enjoyable. I think you're a fantastic interviewer and it was really a pleasure to just chat with you and answer your questions. So thanks so much. I wish you continued success. 

[00:32:59] Shannon Russell: Thank [00:33:00] you, Sheri. Absolutely. Right back at you. 

Sheri's story is extra special, I think, because she has had many different careers over the years. She really has been able to use her voice in different ways throughout all of her career. It. Sounds like she has really found her purpose and her voice now with narrating and producing audiobooks, and I wish her nothing but the best.

To learn more about Sheri go to her website, sherisaginor.com.

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